Tuesday, 11 May 2010

some closing remarks on Moseley and glacial motion

During the middle decades of the 19th C Henry Moseley wrote a series of papers challenging the then emerging orthodoxies as to what provides the power necessary to move glaciers down alpine valleys. Based upon his own measurements of the shear strengths of ice he fairly convincingly demonstrated that the forces provided by gravity acting alone are incapable of providing the levels of power required to overcome the material strengths and enable the observed movements of glacial ice. His arguments would have been even more powerful in the context of continental ice sheets where the forces of gravity are generally considerably less than even the mildest of alpine glacial valleys. He argued, and some of the most influential scientists of the day agreed, that the missing energy was derived from fluctuations in the levels of the solar energy being absorbed by the glacial ice. Although his early papers suggested a fairly simplistic explanation as to how these fluctuations in solar energy, become manifest in terms of mechanical energy in the form of expansions and contractions, Moseley did not get the chance to elaborate on how he thought this model would work in glacial motion. He had, it is true, identified how this action could move a solid sheet of lead or even ice down an inclined slope. But the papers promised in his last contribution on the subject of glaciers, published in September 1871, did not appear before his death in January 1872. This is to be regretted, since the ideas he was exploring and which promised to help explain the power needed to propel glacial ice have since been seemingly neglected.

I am hopeful that the short accounts in the last few postings, outlining some of the exchanges that took place in the middle decades of the 19th C, along with some more recent reconsideration of the possible influences from alternations in thermal energy, might result in reconsideration of current models for the movement of glaciers. There seem to be some important issues that remain imperfectly understood. It seems clear to me, for example, that even if the forces of gravity are considered capable of explaining glacial motion then with the even greater energies potentially derived from alternations in the solar energy entering the glacial ice it should be even easier to explain these movements. At the very least the unfinished but productive debate of the mid. 19th C could be usefully reopened. It is possible that by doing so some of the paradox within current theories of glacial action may be more convincingly resolved. Rather than trying to explain all glacial motion in terms of either gravity or thermal action, it is to be hoped that both will come to be seen as providing in differing circumstances varying but important contributions to the power necessary to move glaciers. In these circumstances it is to be hoped that the important contributions from Canon Henry Moseley might be given the credit they would appear to deserve.

4 comments:

  1. Really good blog :) I've literally just started my own blog so it's great to see that there are developed blogs on these topics (although I admit a lot more advanced than mine will be!)

    I do a lot of background reading on geophysics and glaciers is a great topic, shame they're gradually disappearing, I'll be sure to visit back and read through some more :)

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  2. It does appear that Henry Moseley was treated rather shabbily by the glacial experts of his day and even those of today. His work really does appear to warrant greater recognition and you appear to make a compelling case for James Croll largely agreeing with him that variations in the levels of incident solar radiation seem to be having a causal effect upon the motion of glaciers. Good luck with your efforts to have Moseley’s contribution better appreciated. By the way was this James Croll the one who explained the occurrence of ice ages?

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  3. Geomessenger, my apologies for the delay in responding to your very nice comments – thank you, I look forward to further discussion. If you are still following I am hopeful that we may later get onto some other areas that I think may be of interest to you. Meanwhile, I am hoping to pick up from where I left off almost 2 years ago.

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  4. Sottovoce1, your recent comment has prompted me to return to the blog which alas has lain dormant for almost 2 years. I do hope to get things moving again and trust that you will feel free to comment on past and future material. In answer to your question, yes, this James Croll is the one credited with having explained the origins of the glacial-interglacial periods within the geologically longer period ice-age cycles, in terms of the periodicity of the changes in the earth's elliptic orbit and the fluctuations of its rotional axis tilt angle and precession. I will come back to James Croll in a later blog. But just in relation to at least one of the themes of these blogs it is worth noting that his celestial explanation for the glacial-interglacial cycles was itself largely rubbished for almost 50 years prior to a very gifted Civil Engineer by the name of Milutin
    Milankovic, doing some more detailed calculations that showed pretty conclusively that the celestial driver was likely to be playing a powerful role in determining earth climate. Some of the references to Croll and Milankovic are :

    Croll, James (1864): On the physical causes of change in climate during geological epochs, Philosophical magazine, 28, 121-137.
    Croll, James (1875): Climate and time in their geological relations: a theory of secular changes in Earth’s climate, London, Daldy and ,Tsbister, pp574.

    Milankovic, M. (1920): Théorie mathématique des phénomènes thermiques produits par la radiation solaire (Mathematical theory of thermic phenomena caused by solar radiations),
    monograph published by the Yugoslav Academy of Sciences and Arts by Gauthiers-Villards, Paris.
    Milankovic, M. (1941): Kanon der Erdbestrahlung und seine Anwendung auf das Eiszeitenproblem, Royal Serbian Academy. English translation: Canon of Insolation of the Earth and Its Application to the Problem of the Ice Age, 1969, Israel Program for Scientific Translations and published for the U.S. Department of commerce and the National Science Foundation, Washington, D.C.

    These cycles are often referred to as Milankovic cycles, but in fairness should really be Croll-Milankovic cycles.

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